
The Quran states that ‘no man has the right to take the life of another’, killing innocent people in the name of jihad is misinterpretation of Islam and according to the Quran considered a sin.
It is true that one may hate a certain community or person but to constantly create an atmosphere of hatred may destroy innocent lives along with the guilty. The prime minister of Britain, Mr. Tony Blair during this term in office mentioned that an extreme and perverse form of Islam and not the support for the American invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq is to blame for the terrorism that has now shown its bloody face in London. He has completely ignored the fact that while London was planning and funding terrorism in West Asia, the individuals involved were not considered a domestic threat and therefore basically ignored. As a result it is reaping the harvest of the seeds once sown and Islam and its followers are being blamed all around the world, even in India; a religion sensitive country which is supposed to be secular as postulated by its constitution. India itself is suffering from five decades of terrorism in the hands of Pakistan.
There is no doubt that the form of Islam resulting in suicide bombers is twisted and perverse. We are sitting on a simmering pot for some time and the sharp divisions of understanding between generations of Muslim community have created dissatisfied youths whose issues need to be addressed but terrorism is not the way to make one self be heard. It may be impossible to persuade the Osama Bin Laden devotees that their form of Islam is not Islam but some sort of theory to justify their actions. The outlook professed by them is resulting in development of despise and hatred for all Muslims. It is said that history repeats, if this is true then what once happened to the Jews may happen to the Muslims too.
Religion is a very sensitive issue and to comment critically on it is all the more dangerous in a society where extremism has taken shelter in religion but the present day situation makes it necessary that people are served with that are an eye opener.
Every religion condemns violence, and violence in the name of religion is preposterous.
According to the Book of Mathew, Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, said that we must also love our enemies but at least one of our precepts of Christianity, to love thy neighbour
Seem so far to have prevailed over the fear and anger created by terrorists attacks all over the world.
There is an existing problem of the propagation of extremism amongst young Muslim but this does not mean that every Muslim living is a suicide bomber. People have now started to live with the phenomenon of the suicide bomber next door. Today anyone who has dark skin, dark hair and brown eyes is a potential suspect because Asia is slowly starting to be considered as a breeding ground of terrorists but we must not forget that London was during the Nineties, increasingly a base for the promoting, funding and planning of terrorism in West Asia and else where.
The United States of America was also involved in rearing extremists like Laden in Afghanistan. Now the climate of mass killing promoted by the Al Qaida Network is sort of a scientific experiment that proved fatal and back fired. It seems that people have forgotten that no religion teaches violence. For a few hand full of so called ‘Jihadis’, Islam should not be blamed.
It’s pretty pathetic that you cannot even differentiate between terrorists and ordinary Muslim citizens who go about working hard and striving for peace just as you and me do. With a frivolous statement like that you are making yourself look like a religious fundamentalist and nothing else. Are a lot of naxalites not Hindus. What about the Babbar Khalsa militant group. And what about a street terror gang called ”something” 13. The bottomline is, terrorists don’t have a religion and it is absolutely unfair to blame any religion and it’s people in general for acts of terror. AFAIK, any act of terrorism is an act against humanity and the entire world should fight back at terrorists, not at the religion they belong to. I hope you understand this and i’d love to see your response.
As long as the Islamic religion refuses to evolve and renounce the ”violence” encouraging sections in the Q’ran, we will continue to believe that is not a religion of peace, and is therefore a threat.
It is up to the Muslims to change our perceptions.
even your geeta says”hate the sin and not the sinner”
one rotten apple spoils the whole basket similarly one sabeel ahmed defames the whole face of religion.
in the end i would like to tell you this in gandhigiri style”GET WELL SOON” my friend.
I am giving you a clue - reveal the points of difference from these three individuals, (who are siblings too) - Kafeel Ahmed (dead, he rammed the vehicle in the airport, declared terrorist), Sabeel Ahmed (not declared terrorist but he knew all the plans and role of his own brother, Kafeel Ahmed, in the attack, and Mohammad Haneef (He was caught under charges but released later because no charge was proved against him in Australia)
All three were siblings and common Muslims but one became terrorist, second one supported him and third one, might be knowing the plan but still not charged and released. Find the difference now, (it is an easy task after the terror attack but tough task before any such attack attack) And talk practical things...
Im not an intellectual. Anyway you chose to impose this very huge on word me. Thank you. And first of all i believe in evolution and not in revolution. So there is no question of me revolutionizing anything. All i am asking for is to not blame all the followers of a religion for the mistakes of a few people who might happen to belong to that religion. Furthermore you never replied to our great Hindu organizations like VHP killing hundreds in Gujarat in the riots. are they not terrorists. So are all Hindu’s terrorists? Iv said it before and say it again, we cannot blame an entire set of people who follow a particular religion just because a few of their ilk manage to create havoc.
I can see how narrow minded you are by equating an entire religion with three people, i.e the Ahmed brothers and their Cousin Mohammed Haneef. I fully agree that two out of the three were wrong, but i don’t know for certain whether Haneef was guilty. So i won’t comment on that. However, how could you even think of equating an entire religion with the actions of two misguided men ? This relly beats me. Stop being so damn narrow minded and look at the good people around you who also happen to Muslims/Hindus/Whatever. But, yes, our fellow Muslim citizens should come out and speak out strongly so that people like you see some sense.
First of all, before I lay down my views on this topic, I have a suggestion for you..
The mask that you are using to hide yourself doesn’t suits you for two reasons:
1) Mahatma Gandhi would never talk such crap as you generally vomit in all your comments, which ultimately goes into making you appear like that baboon who always says ”My Ass is Red”.
2) You portray yourself as a daredevil, tell-it-all, tough ass ... Saddam Hussain’s face would look appropriate on an extremist like you, or if you feel uncomfortable behind a Muslim’s face, then try a median route and choose Hitler, because I’m sure you are a Hindu extremist, so it will help you safeguard your emotions and real intentions.
Okay, now coming back to the point, every religion teaches the same thing ”Love each human being and be kind to each creation of God”. Islam, Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism.. practically each n every religion stresses on this issue and condemns hatred.
Those who follow this principle belong to God and those who disobey the words of God are Satan’s offspring... be it Bin Laden and those Islamic terrorist who call themselves Jihadis or be it Lalit from Kanpur.
By the way Lalit, please spare Mahatma Gandhi, you don’t need a mask of some great personality to talk crap!! You can do that even with your own face.
The world is waiting for your answer here...
And for you and Aneez, the answer of all of your questions is in this video.
Can you tell me which holy book of any religion allows its followers to kill innocent people if they do not agree with your religious concepts?
Watch the video and tell us Why Islam is not responsible for Islamophobia?
For Aneez, I think Lalit is using the pic of Mahatma Gandhi because he must be the follower of the principles of non-violence. For us the Constitution of the country is the supreme of all laws, not our religious laws.. For us religion comes after nationality and humanity.
I will not answer this because unlike you, i do not and will not equate terrorism to religion. And mate if you can answer, how we can differentiate between a Hindu and a terrorist or even a christian/sikh/buddhist and a terrorist, i think that in itself will cover the question you are so eager to ask me as well. And if you want to be so damn generalist, are you a terrorist because a few misled Hindus massacred muslims in the Gujarat riots? Let’s see what you come up with for this question.
And i certainly know that for Aneez bhai too, humanity comes before everything. How else do you expect this statement from him?
”every religion teaches the same thing ”Love each human being and be kind to each creation of God”. Islam, Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism.. practically each n every religion stresses on this issue and condemns hatred” He wouldn’t have supported all religions if he didn’t care a damn for other people and their religions. And what’s even more pathetic is you are taking a three and a half year old little girl’s view so seriously. Grow up mate.
Now please tell me, how many muslims actually follow the Ahmadi Mullah’s Islam. I don’t think too many. And likewise, there are enough mindless Hindu fundametnalists around who, if they had their way would’ve completely destroyed not just muslims but other religions as well. You narrowminded approach in itself is a blatant pointer of you being, i daresay mindless enough to equate a misled leader, who in this case is Ahmadi Mullah to the entire religion of Islam. Why don’t you throw some light on the numerous moderate muslim leaders who urge people for peace and not indulge in any kind of violence?
Numerous moderate Muslim leaders?? Numerous?? can you please please please tell me the name of one such Muslim leader, forget the world, tell me one such figure in India in present Indian politics..
You are trying to link this debate with Hindu extremists..let Instablogs publish another debate on this topic, I would definitely answer to all your questions but here just don’t deviate the matter. and yes, I am still waiting for the answer..
Ghulam Nabi Azad-the Chief minister of J&K and a committed member to fight terrorism in the Kashmir valley.
And, here is a link for you
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1060241993.cms
Asma Jehangir
Salman Kurshid
our very own vice president Dr Hamid Ansari.,.,.the list wil go on mate and i know why you cannot answer those questions. simply because you know that you are bullcrapping yourself by equating religion to terrorism.,.,. and by the way, first shed that holy cow and upload yor pic so that all of us can see the great man behind the veil
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egyp...
Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles...
Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news...
Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p0...
Washington-Report: The Nation’s Fastest Growing Religion
http://www.washington-report.org/back...
Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-...
Islam is spreading among Thousands black South Africans
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id...
Washington Post: Islam Attracting Many Thousands Survivors of Rwanda Genocide
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
Islam - World’s Fastest Growing Religion
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/
do check out all these links i have mentioned above and see that islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world, why is it that people are embracing islam as their religion, why dont they convert to hindusim, christianity but islam , it is imply becoz of the reason that islam teaches nothing but harmony, peace and the beautiful things in life,
all you people, lalit and shankar take note. you have single examples to showcase islam as the route of all voilence, i provide you with ample examples to satisfy you quest for enlightenment on the subject terrorim and islam.
take note..
and by the way my challenge to lalit and now to shankar still stands but i still cant find any takers which makes my point valid.
ISLAM IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRORISM..!!!!
Frankly every religion is a myth, a source open to interpretation. If you want to propagate violence you’ll easily come across teachings that point towards that and if you want peace, you’d come across different verses.
If a religion deliberately shuns modernity and a desire to evolve with time, it has nothing else to blame but its anachronistic teachings, dangerously out of sync with reality.
Ghulam Nabi Azad and Salman Khursheed are traitors, all Muslims in Congress party are traitors because they are not ready to honour the judgment of Supreme Court against Afzal Guru in the connection with the Parliament attack case.
Let me give two links of Instablogs articles here-
Ghulam Nabi Azad is a traitor: Rajnath Singh
Don’t hang Afzal because in India politics decides everything
’Just look at the leaders who demanded presidential pardon for Afzal. J&K chief minister Ghulam Nabi Azad, Farooq Abdullah, Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti are among those leaders. They did it only after the September 29 general strike in the Valley over the issue.’
@ Farheen, You gave nine links in the support of your comment, I can give you 100 links in the support of my comment.
Islam has done itself no favors because it really protests too much about nothing and the more sobers ones never make it a point to speak out. Look at the parda system, that very insane ’Talaq’ law and this whole argument I hear some time back creating national controversy which said ’We bow down to none except our god- not even our country or our parents cos our religion forbids us to do so.’ This was told on national television by their religious head! The point is that they are digging this hole for themselves and those who follow the religion and thing otherwise should dare to make a difference. Anyway, it still rubbish to fight about ’your belief vs my belief’ cos at the end of the day you have nothing substantial to prove anything.
Now, you want leaders. Why the hell are looking just at corrupt politicians, of any religion for that matter, to support your misconception of all muslims being terrorists or supporting terrorism. Why can’t you look at these upright citizens who incidentally happen to follow Islam as their religion. The bottomline is Terrorism knows no religion. It is a global malaise that should be fought concertedly by all sections of society, irrespective of religions. And branding people of a particular religion as terrorists will never help the cause of fighting terrorism. If it does anything, it will only promote ill feeling between different religions and cause more trouble. And as an afterthough, i still consider A.P.J Abdul Kalam, Hamid Ansari and Asma Jehangir as leaders. And i think a vast majority of people across religions consider these people to be leaders. It’s a pity that you think only politicians are leaders.
You said ’Terrorism knows no religion’. I don’t agree with you because according to me, Terrorists do know Islam well because they take inspiration from there and use the word’ Jihad’ to kill innocent people.
In India, only politicians are leaders and politics decide everything, this is why Kalam is not in office for second term. You better start understanding the difference between leaders and politicians in India that THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL.
I appreciate your effort bro
But, in spite of taking a new identity , you still vomit crap!!
As is quite evident from your ignorant statement >>> I think Lalit is using the pic of Mahatma Gandhi because he must be the follower of the principles of non-violence.. blah..blah, if you idolize such great personality, you don’t just adopt his famous catchline, but you try to emulate his thinking too!
And, as far as your video goes, I don’t think I posed You (read: Lalit) any questions which this video answers, or tries to answer.
And, as I said earlier, I appreciate your effort to polish your ass to make it more red each day, after all baboonish traits don’t vanish so easily. But, at the same time, I’m happy that I got to contribute to this great cause of yours ”My Ass is Red”!
By the way Lalit aka Shankar, I’m happy dat my words at least made enough impact to make you continue this debate, though using a different ID.
Anyway, all things apart, could you tell me what this current pic is? Is it a cow or a bull?? I hope and pray that its a bull, because your words are nothing but Bullshit!.
And last but not least, if you become angry and come back charging at me after reading this comment, I won’t feel bad, I’ll be happy because I will be giving you more reason to polish your ass to make it MORE RED!!
And if, for any reason, I’m unable to answer you back, please don’t feel bad cuz I have more important things to do besides engaging in lame debates with fools like you.
In both your comments, you did nothing but criticised me personally, abused me. Why don’t you write something sensible and useful to change my thought, I would love to read those comments because I know you are a good writer. You can’t change my thought by abusing me like hell but can do it with a single line of logical comment. I am always ready to change my guard but I found no one who could change it or logically force me to do so. You have proved that you are an a** lover so you used it so many times in a good debate...ooops sorryy.. this is lame debate and I am a fool and the reason is simple - I am not with you. I am laughing like hell and just don’t care who comes and who comes not in the debate.
Is it compulsory for you to prove that you are a fool?? No man, I know it already.
But I’m happy you acknowledged the fact in your latest comment. On one hand, you try to attack me by saying,
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But, as the dumb-ass you are, unable to contain yourself, you spill the beans,
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both your comments=====criticized me personally
Dude, I think I never criticized SHANKAR in my first comment....Think over it dude! And grow up, IQ levels vary, so don’t expect everyone else to be as clever, oops.. dumb as yourself!
And you talk about me talking out of context? Read my first comment, I have given my honest view on this topic.
By the way, my new logic pertaining to you is: If Mr A is a fool, he will remain a fool even if he christens himself Mr B, or Mr C.
God Bless You
Is it compulsory for you to prove that you are a fool?? No man, I know it already.
But I’m happy you acknowledged the fact in your latest comment. On one hand, you try to attack me by saying,
For you, me and Lalit is same individual!!!!! using different IDs!!! why only we two, for you everone who is not with you is a single entity.
But, as the dumb-ass you are, unable to contain yourself, you spill the beans,
In both your comments, you did nothing but criticised me personally, abused me.
both your comments=====criticized me personally
Dude, I think I never criticized SHANKAR in my first comment....Think over it dude! And grow up, IQ levels vary, so don’t expect everyone else to be as clever, oops.. dumb as yourself!
And you talk about me talking out of context? Read my first comment, I have given my honest view on this topic.
By the way, my new logic pertaining to you is: If Mr A is a fool, he will remain a fool even if he christens himself Mr B, or Mr C.
God Bless You
I know you have no answer..
The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life Poll in 2004 -
#Almost 4 in 10 Americans have an unfavorable view of Islam, about the same number that have a favorable view.
#A plurality of Americans (46 percent) believes that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers.[v]
ABC News March, 2005 Poll-
#Four months after 9/11, 14 percent believed mainstream Islam encourages violence; today it’s 34 percent.
#Today 43 percent think Islam does not teach respect for the beliefs of non-Muslims — up sharply from 22 percent.
#People who feel they do understand Islam are much more likely to view it positively. Among Americans who feel they do understand the religion, 59 percent call it peaceful and 46 percent think it teaches respect for the beliefs of others.
CAIR 2005 Poll on American Attitudes Towards Islam and Muslims-
#The level of knowledge of Islam is virtually unchanged from 2004. Only two percent of survey respondents indicated that they are “very knowledgeable” about the religion.
#Almost 60 percent said they “are not very knowledgeable” or “not at all knowledgeable” about Islam.
#Nearly 10 percent said Muslims believe in a moon god.
#Just a little over one-third of survey respondents reported awareness of Muslim leaders condemning terrorism.
#A vast majority of Americans said they would change their views about Muslims if Muslims condemn terrorism more strongly, show more concern for Americans or work to improve the status of Muslim women or American image in the Muslim world.
(http://www.cair.com/Issues/Islamophobia/Islamophobia.aspx...)
I really have no answers for your illogical query. Maybe I can answer you, but for that I’ll have to degrade my brain n come to your level, and unfortunately, its not possible bcoz I have other things which demand intellect.
@ Amber
Thanks a lot for contributing to my vocabulary. I got to know the meaning of ’liberty’ today. I owe you.
By the way Amber, do you know the meaning of ’debate’? If no I tell you - Debate means to engage in argument by discussing opposing points..’ And as a debater, I think I have this privilege too. Think over it Amber.
And for all those who think I’m derailed, check my very first comment, I have presented my views, but unfortunately, no one has come for it or against it, cuz they love derailed wagons!
Like you know too much about Koran and it’s interpretation for you to continously talk bullcrap and strut around blaming a religion. And no, im not putting words in your mouth, you asked me how to differentiate between an ordinary muslim and a terrorist in one of your previous comments. So, What does it mean, are you not indirectly calling muslims, terrorists? which to me is absolutely despicable and i don’t think it is worthwhile to even argue with religious fundamentalists like you. I always believe that the Muslim on the street who goes about doing his/her job really don’t want terrorism or any kind of violence. And i continue to so becuase i have too many muslim friends who are absolutely peace loving and anti-terrorism. Just because they don’t come out and stand on rooftops to shout out that they don’t support terrorism doesn’t mean that they support terrorism. Get these facts straight and clear before making frivolous and unwarranted remarks.
#Ramesh Pande. He was among the terrorists who stormed the Ayodhya temple on 5 July.
#Sham Lal and Kirpal Singh, in Rajouri-Poonch, belong to Hizbul Mujahideen and Sanjay to Lashkar-e-Toiba
#Bharat Kumar, arrested in Satwari, Jammu City, with arms and ammunition. Trained for four years in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
#Police arrested a noted Hindu smuggler, involved in Jammu’s Raghunath Temple attack in 2002
#Doctor S.K.Pandita, charged with sheltering militants in Kashmir, along with Pt. Dalip Kumar, arrested, for financing them. Pandita disclosed he carried messages and ammunition to the militants.
Anything else you need to know? :)...i do not base my arguments on free air...i am not denying that terrorism is widespread amongst muslims but we need to accept that even hindus are not clean as well.
Let me tell you that “Terrorism” is not a monopoly of Muslim and those who are aware of world history might be knowing the origin of the word. In 1881, anarchist killed the Russian Tsar Alexander 11. US President Mckinley, King Humbert 1 of Italy, Archduke were not killed by Muslim. In second world holocaust was not done by Muslims. The Irish Republican Army [IRA] is not Muslims organization and they have killed more people than other similar organizations. In India, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Raju Gandhi were not killed by Muslims. Salvation Army in Uganda is not a Muslim outfit but they are Christen and LTTE is a Tamilian group not a Muslim. And so no………..
The western Media has projected Muslim as militants and Islam instigates violence. After the globalization, or last one and half decades Media has become the puppet of the western countries or the capitalist and they have been using it for their vested interests. The common people do not understand it and they are easily brain washed by The Media.
Let me tell you that “Terrorism” is not a monopoly of Muslim and those who are aware of world history might be knowing the origin of the word. In 1881, anarchist killed the Russian Tsar Alexander 11. US President Mckinley, King Humbert 1 of Italy, Archduke were not killed by Muslim. In second world holocaust was not done by Muslims. The Irish Republican Army [IRA] is not Muslims organization and they have killed more people than other similar organizations. In India, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Raju Gandhi were not killed by Muslims. Salvation Army in Uganda is not a Muslim outfit but they are Christen and LTTE is a Tamilian group not a Muslim. And so no………..
The western Media has projected Muslim as militants and Islam instigates violence. After the globalization, or last one and half decades Media has become the puppet of the western countries or the capitalist and they have been using it for their vested interests. The common people do not understand it and they are easily brain washed by The Media.
k, lot is being discussed about islam here, can any of you please mention me name of sigle muslim leader or sovereign power like hitter, Bush who have killed millions of people, now the question is are they brander as terrosrists, no...y because both are not muslims..
so the inportant question is why and what is there, that corelates islam with terrorism. It is only that people have reductionist view of islam. People like lalit ( if i m right in mentioning the name)and majority of the population depend of interpretation centers, thats media. it is west that had structured structures in such a way that islam today is seen as major threat for humanity.
It is the west that sees islamic fundamentalism a threatening force. What is the reason? It is because islam is the only religion that poses a challenges to the west.
Why in india communal riots are recent phenomenon , while it was that people here lived amicably for centuries. For all this we have to blame modernity and wests gift to whole world that is nationalism.
If you still beleive that Islam is a threat, then i think we should be proud of islam that in a sense have the ability to raise question against western legacy. DEmocracy, liberalism, parliamentarianism, these are all borrowed concepts when talking about india.
there is no need to prove that islam is a religion with vanguard ideology.
when we problematize a thing, we should always look at it from broader perspective, not with mainstream perspective like dependending on cultural apparatuses thats what people like lalit do. if we really want to comment on islam or any other religion it is always important to read about it, then analyse it and then talk about it.
islam is not a homogenous identity, there are several islams lived in different parts of the world. when we say anything against islam, we should first know which islam you are refering.
if americas war on iraq anf Afghanistan is war against humanity, i prefer Schmittian world then, which at least blames war waged for profit, and despite beleives in war as an eternal confrontation that gives ultimate meaning to life.
and if somebody wants to reproach islam further, please dont before knowing islam, i am here trying to prove islam an infallible religion, but religion of vanguard ideology like socialism, marxism.
Rest, it is not that we dont have right to criticize isla, ofcourse we have. We have right to critize any thing, as everything in this world is contested. But it should always be constructive criticism, not deconstructive criticism that eventually will lead to diseases like fascism,communalism.
regards,
raoof mir
People do not know the fact that “to wear a headscarf or loose attire” is not an Islamic laws but it’s an Arab culture. Islam has categorically warned Muslims [both male & female] to guard their “private parts”. Prophet Mohammed asked Muslims females to cover their body [both hands and eyes should be free and open] in order to avoid to get attracted by males or who was not their legal / legitimate husband.
If Muslims females are practicing it for their own safety what is wrong in it. The so called liberal or those who follow western culture must have experienced that their female are at risk all the time just because of their scanty attires.
Those who live in house of glasses must not throw stone to others.
With regards
Zafrus Salam
Also, the results of CAIR were not that surprising. With the advent of the internet, many people have started realizing what Islam is like never before and that’s why you will see there is a sharp rise in people’s opposing viewpoints towards Islam.
If Islam did not teach any hatred towards non - believers, we wouldn’t have seen so many conflicts in the medieval period and also what is going on till date.
It is not Muslims that are responsible for Islamophobia (as per your definition), it is Islam that is responsible. All this so called terrorists and radical Muslims were born like other humans, but certain ideology changed them and I need not tell which is that ideology that influenced their mind.
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It’s pretty pathetic that you cannot even differentiate between terrorists and ordinary Muslim citizens who go about working hard and striving for peace just as you and me do. With a frivolous statement like that you are making yourself look like a religious fundamentalist and nothing else. Are a lot of naxalites not Hindus. What about the Babbar Khalsa militant group. And what about a street terror gang called ”something” 13. The bottomline is, terrorists don’t have a religion and it is absolutely unfair to blame any religion and it’s people in general for acts of terror. AFAIK, any act of terrorism is an act against humanity and the entire world should fight back at terrorists, not at the religion they belong to. I hope you understand this and i’d love to see your response.
As long as the Islamic religion refuses to evolve and renounce the ”violence” encouraging sections in the Q’ran, we will continue to believe that is not a religion of peace, and is therefore a threat.
It is up to the Muslims to change our perceptions.
even your geeta says”hate the sin and not the sinner”
one rotten apple spoils the whole basket similarly one sabeel ahmed defames the whole face of religion.
in the end i would like to tell you this in gandhigiri style”GET WELL SOON” my friend.
I am giving you a clue - reveal the points of difference from these three individuals, (who are siblings too) - Kafeel Ahmed (dead, he rammed the vehicle in the airport, declared terrorist), Sabeel Ahmed (not declared terrorist but he knew all the plans and role of his own brother, Kafeel Ahmed, in the attack, and Mohammad Haneef (He was caught under charges but released later because no charge was proved against him in Australia)
All three were siblings and common Muslims but one became terrorist, second one supported him and third one, might be knowing the plan but still not charged and released. Find the difference now, (it is an easy task after the terror attack but tough task before any such attack attack) And talk practical things...
Im not an intellectual. Anyway you chose to impose this very huge on word me. Thank you. And first of all i believe in evolution and not in revolution. So there is no question of me revolutionizing anything. All i am asking for is to not blame all the followers of a religion for the mistakes of a few people who might happen to belong to that religion. Furthermore you never replied to our great Hindu organizations like VHP killing hundreds in Gujarat in the riots. are they not terrorists. So are all Hindu’s terrorists? Iv said it before and say it again, we cannot blame an entire set of people who follow a particular religion just because a few of their ilk manage to create havoc.
I can see how narrow minded you are by equating an entire religion with three people, i.e the Ahmed brothers and their Cousin Mohammed Haneef. I fully agree that two out of the three were wrong, but i don’t know for certain whether Haneef was guilty. So i won’t comment on that. However, how could you even think of equating an entire religion with the actions of two misguided men ? This relly beats me. Stop being so damn narrow minded and look at the good people around you who also happen to Muslims/Hindus/Whatever. But, yes, our fellow Muslim citizens should come out and speak out strongly so that people like you see some sense.
First of all, before I lay down my views on this topic, I have a suggestion for you..
The mask that you are using to hide yourself doesn’t suits you for two reasons:
1) Mahatma Gandhi would never talk such crap as you generally vomit in all your comments, which ultimately goes into making you appear like that baboon who always says ”My Ass is Red”.
2) You portray yourself as a daredevil, tell-it-all, tough ass ... Saddam Hussain’s face would look appropriate on an extremist like you, or if you feel uncomfortable behind a Muslim’s face, then try a median route and choose Hitler, because I’m sure you are a Hindu extremist, so it will help you safeguard your emotions and real intentions.
Okay, now coming back to the point, every religion teaches the same thing ”Love each human being and be kind to each creation of God”. Islam, Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism.. practically each n every religion stresses on this issue and condemns hatred.
Those who follow this principle belong to God and those who disobey the words of God are Satan’s offspring... be it Bin Laden and those Islamic terrorist who call themselves Jihadis or be it Lalit from Kanpur.
By the way Lalit, please spare Mahatma Gandhi, you don’t need a mask of some great personality to talk crap!! You can do that even with your own face.
The world is waiting for your answer here...
And for you and Aneez, the answer of all of your questions is in this video.
Can you tell me which holy book of any religion allows its followers to kill innocent people if they do not agree with your religious concepts?
Watch the video and tell us Why Islam is not responsible for Islamophobia?
For Aneez, I think Lalit is using the pic of Mahatma Gandhi because he must be the follower of the principles of non-violence. For us the Constitution of the country is the supreme of all laws, not our religious laws.. For us religion comes after nationality and humanity.
I will not answer this because unlike you, i do not and will not equate terrorism to religion. And mate if you can answer, how we can differentiate between a Hindu and a terrorist or even a christian/sikh/buddhist and a terrorist, i think that in itself will cover the question you are so eager to ask me as well. And if you want to be so damn generalist, are you a terrorist because a few misled Hindus massacred muslims in the Gujarat riots? Let’s see what you come up with for this question.
And i certainly know that for Aneez bhai too, humanity comes before everything. How else do you expect this statement from him?
”every religion teaches the same thing ”Love each human being and be kind to each creation of God”. Islam, Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism.. practically each n every religion stresses on this issue and condemns hatred” He wouldn’t have supported all religions if he didn’t care a damn for other people and their religions. And what’s even more pathetic is you are taking a three and a half year old little girl’s view so seriously. Grow up mate.
Now please tell me, how many muslims actually follow the Ahmadi Mullah’s Islam. I don’t think too many. And likewise, there are enough mindless Hindu fundametnalists around who, if they had their way would’ve completely destroyed not just muslims but other religions as well. You narrowminded approach in itself is a blatant pointer of you being, i daresay mindless enough to equate a misled leader, who in this case is Ahmadi Mullah to the entire religion of Islam. Why don’t you throw some light on the numerous moderate muslim leaders who urge people for peace and not indulge in any kind of violence?
Numerous moderate Muslim leaders?? Numerous?? can you please please please tell me the name of one such Muslim leader, forget the world, tell me one such figure in India in present Indian politics..
You are trying to link this debate with Hindu extremists..let Instablogs publish another debate on this topic, I would definitely answer to all your questions but here just don’t deviate the matter. and yes, I am still waiting for the answer..
Ghulam Nabi Azad-the Chief minister of J&K and a committed member to fight terrorism in the Kashmir valley.
And, here is a link for you
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1060241993.cms
Asma Jehangir
Salman Kurshid
our very own vice president Dr Hamid Ansari.,.,.the list wil go on mate and i know why you cannot answer those questions. simply because you know that you are bullcrapping yourself by equating religion to terrorism.,.,. and by the way, first shed that holy cow and upload yor pic so that all of us can see the great man behind the veil
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egyp...
Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles...
Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news...
Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p0...
Washington-Report: The Nation’s Fastest Growing Religion
http://www.washington-report.org/back...
Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-...
Islam is spreading among Thousands black South Africans
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id...
Washington Post: Islam Attracting Many Thousands Survivors of Rwanda Genocide
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
Islam - World’s Fastest Growing Religion
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/
do check out all these links i have mentioned above and see that islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world, why is it that people are embracing islam as their religion, why dont they convert to hindusim, christianity but islam , it is imply becoz of the reason that islam teaches nothing but harmony, peace and the beautiful things in life,
all you people, lalit and shankar take note. you have single examples to showcase islam as the route of all voilence, i provide you with ample examples to satisfy you quest for enlightenment on the subject terrorim and islam.
take note..
and by the way my challenge to lalit and now to shankar still stands but i still cant find any takers which makes my point valid.
ISLAM IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRORISM..!!!!
Frankly every religion is a myth, a source open to interpretation. If you want to propagate violence you’ll easily come across teachings that point towards that and if you want peace, you’d come across different verses.
If a religion deliberately shuns modernity and a desire to evolve with time, it has nothing else to blame but its anachronistic teachings, dangerously out of sync with reality.
Ghulam Nabi Azad and Salman Khursheed are traitors, all Muslims in Congress party are traitors because they are not ready to honour the judgment of Supreme Court against Afzal Guru in the connection with the Parliament attack case.
Let me give two links of Instablogs articles here-
Ghulam Nabi Azad is a traitor: Rajnath Singh
Don’t hang Afzal because in India politics decides everything
’Just look at the leaders who demanded presidential pardon for Afzal. J&K chief minister Ghulam Nabi Azad, Farooq Abdullah, Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti are among those leaders. They did it only after the September 29 general strike in the Valley over the issue.’
@ Farheen, You gave nine links in the support of your comment, I can give you 100 links in the support of my comment.
Islam has done itself no favors because it really protests too much about nothing and the more sobers ones never make it a point to speak out. Look at the parda system, that very insane ’Talaq’ law and this whole argument I hear some time back creating national controversy which said ’We bow down to none except our god- not even our country or our parents cos our religion forbids us to do so.’ This was told on national television by their religious head! The point is that they are digging this hole for themselves and those who follow the religion and thing otherwise should dare to make a difference. Anyway, it still rubbish to fight about ’your belief vs my belief’ cos at the end of the day you have nothing substantial to prove anything.
Now, you want leaders. Why the hell are looking just at corrupt politicians, of any religion for that matter, to support your misconception of all muslims being terrorists or supporting terrorism. Why can’t you look at these upright citizens who incidentally happen to follow Islam as their religion. The bottomline is Terrorism knows no religion. It is a global malaise that should be fought concertedly by all sections of society, irrespective of religions. And branding people of a particular religion as terrorists will never help the cause of fighting terrorism. If it does anything, it will only promote ill feeling between different religions and cause more trouble. And as an afterthough, i still consider A.P.J Abdul Kalam, Hamid Ansari and Asma Jehangir as leaders. And i think a vast majority of people across religions consider these people to be leaders. It’s a pity that you think only politicians are leaders.
You said ’Terrorism knows no religion’. I don’t agree with you because according to me, Terrorists do know Islam well because they take inspiration from there and use the word’ Jihad’ to kill innocent people.
In India, only politicians are leaders and politics decide everything, this is why Kalam is not in office for second term. You better start understanding the difference between leaders and politicians in India that THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL.
I appreciate your effort bro
But, in spite of taking a new identity , you still vomit crap!!
As is quite evident from your ignorant statement >>> I think Lalit is using the pic of Mahatma Gandhi because he must be the follower of the principles of non-violence.. blah..blah, if you idolize such great personality, you don’t just adopt his famous catchline, but you try to emulate his thinking too!
And, as far as your video goes, I don’t think I posed You (read: Lalit) any questions which this video answers, or tries to answer.
And, as I said earlier, I appreciate your effort to polish your ass to make it more red each day, after all baboonish traits don’t vanish so easily. But, at the same time, I’m happy that I got to contribute to this great cause of yours ”My Ass is Red”!
By the way Lalit aka Shankar, I’m happy dat my words at least made enough impact to make you continue this debate, though using a different ID.
Anyway, all things apart, could you tell me what this current pic is? Is it a cow or a bull?? I hope and pray that its a bull, because your words are nothing but Bullshit!.
And last but not least, if you become angry and come back charging at me after reading this comment, I won’t feel bad, I’ll be happy because I will be giving you more reason to polish your ass to make it MORE RED!!
And if, for any reason, I’m unable to answer you back, please don’t feel bad cuz I have more important things to do besides engaging in lame debates with fools like you.
In both your comments, you did nothing but criticised me personally, abused me. Why don’t you write something sensible and useful to change my thought, I would love to read those comments because I know you are a good writer. You can’t change my thought by abusing me like hell but can do it with a single line of logical comment. I am always ready to change my guard but I found no one who could change it or logically force me to do so. You have proved that you are an a** lover so you used it so many times in a good debate...ooops sorryy.. this is lame debate and I am a fool and the reason is simple - I am not with you. I am laughing like hell and just don’t care who comes and who comes not in the debate.
Is it compulsory for you to prove that you are a fool?? No man, I know it already.
But I’m happy you acknowledged the fact in your latest comment. On one hand, you try to attack me by saying,
>>
But, as the dumb-ass you are, unable to contain yourself, you spill the beans,
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both your comments=====criticized me personally
Dude, I think I never criticized SHANKAR in my first comment....Think over it dude! And grow up, IQ levels vary, so don’t expect everyone else to be as clever, oops.. dumb as yourself!
And you talk about me talking out of context? Read my first comment, I have given my honest view on this topic.
By the way, my new logic pertaining to you is: If Mr A is a fool, he will remain a fool even if he christens himself Mr B, or Mr C.
God Bless You
Is it compulsory for you to prove that you are a fool?? No man, I know it already.
But I’m happy you acknowledged the fact in your latest comment. On one hand, you try to attack me by saying,
For you, me and Lalit is same individual!!!!! using different IDs!!! why only we two, for you everone who is not with you is a single entity.
But, as the dumb-ass you are, unable to contain yourself, you spill the beans,
In both your comments, you did nothing but criticised me personally, abused me.
both your comments=====criticized me personally
Dude, I think I never criticized SHANKAR in my first comment....Think over it dude! And grow up, IQ levels vary, so don’t expect everyone else to be as clever, oops.. dumb as yourself!
And you talk about me talking out of context? Read my first comment, I have given my honest view on this topic.
By the way, my new logic pertaining to you is: If Mr A is a fool, he will remain a fool even if he christens himself Mr B, or Mr C.
God Bless You
I know you have no answer..
The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life Poll in 2004 -
#Almost 4 in 10 Americans have an unfavorable view of Islam, about the same number that have a favorable view.
#A plurality of Americans (46 percent) believes that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers.[v]
ABC News March, 2005 Poll-
#Four months after 9/11, 14 percent believed mainstream Islam encourages violence; today it’s 34 percent.
#Today 43 percent think Islam does not teach respect for the beliefs of non-Muslims — up sharply from 22 percent.
#People who feel they do understand Islam are much more likely to view it positively. Among Americans who feel they do understand the religion, 59 percent call it peaceful and 46 percent think it teaches respect for the beliefs of others.
CAIR 2005 Poll on American Attitudes Towards Islam and Muslims-
#The level of knowledge of Islam is virtually unchanged from 2004. Only two percent of survey respondents indicated that they are “very knowledgeable” about the religion.
#Almost 60 percent said they “are not very knowledgeable” or “not at all knowledgeable” about Islam.
#Nearly 10 percent said Muslims believe in a moon god.
#Just a little over one-third of survey respondents reported awareness of Muslim leaders condemning terrorism.
#A vast majority of Americans said they would change their views about Muslims if Muslims condemn terrorism more strongly, show more concern for Americans or work to improve the status of Muslim women or American image in the Muslim world.
(http://www.cair.com/Issues/Islamophobia/Islamophobia.aspx...)
I really have no answers for your illogical query. Maybe I can answer you, but for that I’ll have to degrade my brain n come to your level, and unfortunately, its not possible bcoz I have other things which demand intellect.
@ Amber
Thanks a lot for contributing to my vocabulary. I got to know the meaning of ’liberty’ today. I owe you.
By the way Amber, do you know the meaning of ’debate’? If no I tell you - Debate means to engage in argument by discussing opposing points..’ And as a debater, I think I have this privilege too. Think over it Amber.
And for all those who think I’m derailed, check my very first comment, I have presented my views, but unfortunately, no one has come for it or against it, cuz they love derailed wagons!
Like you know too much about Koran and it’s interpretation for you to continously talk bullcrap and strut around blaming a religion. And no, im not putting words in your mouth, you asked me how to differentiate between an ordinary muslim and a terrorist in one of your previous comments. So, What does it mean, are you not indirectly calling muslims, terrorists? which to me is absolutely despicable and i don’t think it is worthwhile to even argue with religious fundamentalists like you. I always believe that the Muslim on the street who goes about doing his/her job really don’t want terrorism or any kind of violence. And i continue to so becuase i have too many muslim friends who are absolutely peace loving and anti-terrorism. Just because they don’t come out and stand on rooftops to shout out that they don’t support terrorism doesn’t mean that they support terrorism. Get these facts straight and clear before making frivolous and unwarranted remarks.
#Ramesh Pande. He was among the terrorists who stormed the Ayodhya temple on 5 July.
#Sham Lal and Kirpal Singh, in Rajouri-Poonch, belong to Hizbul Mujahideen and Sanjay to Lashkar-e-Toiba
#Bharat Kumar, arrested in Satwari, Jammu City, with arms and ammunition. Trained for four years in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
#Police arrested a noted Hindu smuggler, involved in Jammu’s Raghunath Temple attack in 2002
#Doctor S.K.Pandita, charged with sheltering militants in Kashmir, along with Pt. Dalip Kumar, arrested, for financing them. Pandita disclosed he carried messages and ammunition to the militants.
Anything else you need to know? :)...i do not base my arguments on free air...i am not denying that terrorism is widespread amongst muslims but we need to accept that even hindus are not clean as well.
Let me tell you that “Terrorism” is not a monopoly of Muslim and those who are aware of world history might be knowing the origin of the word. In 1881, anarchist killed the Russian Tsar Alexander 11. US President Mckinley, King Humbert 1 of Italy, Archduke were not killed by Muslim. In second world holocaust was not done by Muslims. The Irish Republican Army [IRA] is not Muslims organization and they have killed more people than other similar organizations. In India, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Raju Gandhi were not killed by Muslims. Salvation Army in Uganda is not a Muslim outfit but they are Christen and LTTE is a Tamilian group not a Muslim. And so no………..
The western Media has projected Muslim as militants and Islam instigates violence. After the globalization, or last one and half decades Media has become the puppet of the western countries or the capitalist and they have been using it for their vested interests. The common people do not understand it and they are easily brain washed by The Media.
Let me tell you that “Terrorism” is not a monopoly of Muslim and those who are aware of world history might be knowing the origin of the word. In 1881, anarchist killed the Russian Tsar Alexander 11. US President Mckinley, King Humbert 1 of Italy, Archduke were not killed by Muslim. In second world holocaust was not done by Muslims. The Irish Republican Army [IRA] is not Muslims organization and they have killed more people than other similar organizations. In India, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Raju Gandhi were not killed by Muslims. Salvation Army in Uganda is not a Muslim outfit but they are Christen and LTTE is a Tamilian group not a Muslim. And so no………..
The western Media has projected Muslim as militants and Islam instigates violence. After the globalization, or last one and half decades Media has become the puppet of the western countries or the capitalist and they have been using it for their vested interests. The common people do not understand it and they are easily brain washed by The Media.
k, lot is being discussed about islam here, can any of you please mention me name of sigle muslim leader or sovereign power like hitter, Bush who have killed millions of people, now the question is are they brander as terrosrists, no...y because both are not muslims..
so the inportant question is why and what is there, that corelates islam with terrorism. It is only that people have reductionist view of islam. People like lalit ( if i m right in mentioning the name)and majority of the population depend of interpretation centers, thats media. it is west that had structured structures in such a way that islam today is seen as major threat for humanity.
It is the west that sees islamic fundamentalism a threatening force. What is the reason? It is because islam is the only religion that poses a challenges to the west.
Why in india communal riots are recent phenomenon , while it was that people here lived amicably for centuries. For all this we have to blame modernity and wests gift to whole world that is nationalism.
If you still beleive that Islam is a threat, then i think we should be proud of islam that in a sense have the ability to raise question against western legacy. DEmocracy, liberalism, parliamentarianism, these are all borrowed concepts when talking about india.
there is no need to prove that islam is a religion with vanguard ideology.
when we problematize a thing, we should always look at it from broader perspective, not with mainstream perspective like dependending on cultural apparatuses thats what people like lalit do. if we really want to comment on islam or any other religion it is always important to read about it, then analyse it and then talk about it.
islam is not a homogenous identity, there are several islams lived in different parts of the world. when we say anything against islam, we should first know which islam you are refering.
if americas war on iraq anf Afghanistan is war against humanity, i prefer Schmittian world then, which at least blames war waged for profit, and despite beleives in war as an eternal confrontation that gives ultimate meaning to life.
and if somebody wants to reproach islam further, please dont before knowing islam, i am here trying to prove islam an infallible religion, but religion of vanguard ideology like socialism, marxism.
Rest, it is not that we dont have right to criticize isla, ofcourse we have. We have right to critize any thing, as everything in this world is contested. But it should always be constructive criticism, not deconstructive criticism that eventually will lead to diseases like fascism,communalism.
regards,
raoof mir
People do not know the fact that “to wear a headscarf or loose attire” is not an Islamic laws but it’s an Arab culture. Islam has categorically warned Muslims [both male & female] to guard their “private parts”. Prophet Mohammed asked Muslims females to cover their body [both hands and eyes should be free and open] in order to avoid to get attracted by males or who was not their legal / legitimate husband.
If Muslims females are practicing it for their own safety what is wrong in it. The so called liberal or those who follow western culture must have experienced that their female are at risk all the time just because of their scanty attires.
Those who live in house of glasses must not throw stone to others.
With regards
Zafrus Salam
Also, the results of CAIR were not that surprising. With the advent of the internet, many people have started realizing what Islam is like never before and that’s why you will see there is a sharp rise in people’s opposing viewpoints towards Islam.
If Islam did not teach any hatred towards non - believers, we wouldn’t have seen so many conflicts in the medieval period and also what is going on till date.
It is not Muslims that are responsible for Islamophobia (as per your definition), it is Islam that is responsible. All this so called terrorists and radical Muslims were born like other humans, but certain ideology changed them and I need not tell which is that ideology that influenced their mind.
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It’s pretty pathetic that you cannot even differentiate between terrorists and ordinary Muslim citizens who go about working hard and striving for peace just as you and me do. With a frivolous statement like that you are making yourself look like a religious fundamentalist and nothing else. Are a lot of naxalites not Hindus. What about the Babbar Khalsa militant group. And what about a street terror gang called ”something” 13. The bottomline is, terrorists don’t have a religion and it is absolutely unfair to blame any religion and it’s people in general for acts of terror. AFAIK, any act of terrorism is an act against humanity and the entire world should fight back at terrorists, not at the religion they belong to. I hope you understand this and i’d love to see your response.
As long as the Islamic religion refuses to evolve and renounce the ”violence” encouraging sections in the Q’ran, we will continue to believe that is not a religion of peace, and is therefore a threat.
It is up to the Muslims to change our perceptions.
even your geeta says”hate the sin and not the sinner”
one rotten apple spoils the whole basket similarly one sabeel ahmed defames the whole face of religion.
in the end i would like to tell you this in gandhigiri style”GET WELL SOON” my friend.
I am giving you a clue - reveal the points of difference from these three individuals, (who are siblings too) - Kafeel Ahmed (dead, he rammed the vehicle in the airport, declared terrorist), Sabeel Ahmed (not declared terrorist but he knew all the plans and role of his own brother, Kafeel Ahmed, in the attack, and Mohammad Haneef (He was caught under charges but released later because no charge was proved against him in Australia)
All three were siblings and common Muslims but one became terrorist, second one supported him and third one, might be knowing the plan but still not charged and released. Find the difference now, (it is an easy task after the terror attack but tough task before any such attack attack) And talk practical things...
Im not an intellectual. Anyway you chose to impose this very huge on word me. Thank you. And first of all i believe in evolution and not in revolution. So there is no question of me revolutionizing anything. All i am asking for is to not blame all the followers of a religion for the mistakes of a few people who might happen to belong to that religion. Furthermore you never replied to our great Hindu organizations like VHP killing hundreds in Gujarat in the riots. are they not terrorists. So are all Hindu’s terrorists? Iv said it before and say it again, we cannot blame an entire set of people who follow a particular religion just because a few of their ilk manage to create havoc.
I can see how narrow minded you are by equating an entire religion with three people, i.e the Ahmed brothers and their Cousin Mohammed Haneef. I fully agree that two out of the three were wrong, but i don’t know for certain whether Haneef was guilty. So i won’t comment on that. However, how could you even think of equating an entire religion with the actions of two misguided men ? This relly beats me. Stop being so damn narrow minded and look at the good people around you who also happen to Muslims/Hindus/Whatever. But, yes, our fellow Muslim citizens should come out and speak out strongly so that people like you see some sense.
First of all, before I lay down my views on this topic, I have a suggestion for you..
The mask that you are using to hide yourself doesn’t suits you for two reasons:
1) Mahatma Gandhi would never talk such crap as you generally vomit in all your comments, which ultimately goes into making you appear like that baboon who always says ”My Ass is Red”.
2) You portray yourself as a daredevil, tell-it-all, tough ass ... Saddam Hussain’s face would look appropriate on an extremist like you, or if you feel uncomfortable behind a Muslim’s face, then try a median route and choose Hitler, because I’m sure you are a Hindu extremist, so it will help you safeguard your emotions and real intentions.
Okay, now coming back to the point, every religion teaches the same thing ”Love each human being and be kind to each creation of God”. Islam, Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism.. practically each n every religion stresses on this issue and condemns hatred.
Those who follow this principle belong to God and those who disobey the words of God are Satan’s offspring... be it Bin Laden and those Islamic terrorist who call themselves Jihadis or be it Lalit from Kanpur.
By the way Lalit, please spare Mahatma Gandhi, you don’t need a mask of some great personality to talk crap!! You can do that even with your own face.
The world is waiting for your answer here...
And for you and Aneez, the answer of all of your questions is in this video.
Can you tell me which holy book of any religion allows its followers to kill innocent people if they do not agree with your religious concepts?
Watch the video and tell us Why Islam is not responsible for Islamophobia?
For Aneez, I think Lalit is using the pic of Mahatma Gandhi because he must be the follower of the principles of non-violence. For us the Constitution of the country is the supreme of all laws, not our religious laws.. For us religion comes after nationality and humanity.
I will not answer this because unlike you, i do not and will not equate terrorism to religion. And mate if you can answer, how we can differentiate between a Hindu and a terrorist or even a christian/sikh/buddhist and a terrorist, i think that in itself will cover the question you are so eager to ask me as well. And if you want to be so damn generalist, are you a terrorist because a few misled Hindus massacred muslims in the Gujarat riots? Let’s see what you come up with for this question.
And i certainly know that for Aneez bhai too, humanity comes before everything. How else do you expect this statement from him?
”every religion teaches the same thing ”Love each human being and be kind to each creation of God”. Islam, Christainity, Hinduism, Buddhism.. practically each n every religion stresses on this issue and condemns hatred” He wouldn’t have supported all religions if he didn’t care a damn for other people and their religions. And what’s even more pathetic is you are taking a three and a half year old little girl’s view so seriously. Grow up mate.
Now please tell me, how many muslims actually follow the Ahmadi Mullah’s Islam. I don’t think too many. And likewise, there are enough mindless Hindu fundametnalists around who, if they had their way would’ve completely destroyed not just muslims but other religions as well. You narrowminded approach in itself is a blatant pointer of you being, i daresay mindless enough to equate a misled leader, who in this case is Ahmadi Mullah to the entire religion of Islam. Why don’t you throw some light on the numerous moderate muslim leaders who urge people for peace and not indulge in any kind of violence?
Numerous moderate Muslim leaders?? Numerous?? can you please please please tell me the name of one such Muslim leader, forget the world, tell me one such figure in India in present Indian politics..
You are trying to link this debate with Hindu extremists..let Instablogs publish another debate on this topic, I would definitely answer to all your questions but here just don’t deviate the matter. and yes, I am still waiting for the answer..
Ghulam Nabi Azad-the Chief minister of J&K and a committed member to fight terrorism in the Kashmir valley.
And, here is a link for you
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1060241993.cms
Asma Jehangir
Salman Kurshid
our very own vice president Dr Hamid Ansari.,.,.the list wil go on mate and i know why you cannot answer those questions. simply because you know that you are bullcrapping yourself by equating religion to terrorism.,.,. and by the way, first shed that holy cow and upload yor pic so that all of us can see the great man behind the veil
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egyp...
Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles...
Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news...
Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p0...
Washington-Report: The Nation’s Fastest Growing Religion
http://www.washington-report.org/back...
Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-...
Islam is spreading among Thousands black South Africans
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id...
Washington Post: Islam Attracting Many Thousands Survivors of Rwanda Genocide
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
Islam - World’s Fastest Growing Religion
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/
do check out all these links i have mentioned above and see that islam is the fastest growing relgion in the world, why is it that people are embracing islam as their religion, why dont they convert to hindusim, christianity but islam , it is imply becoz of the reason that islam teaches nothing but harmony, peace and the beautiful things in life,
all you people, lalit and shankar take note. you have single examples to showcase islam as the route of all voilence, i provide you with ample examples to satisfy you quest for enlightenment on the subject terrorim and islam.
take note..
and by the way my challenge to lalit and now to shankar still stands but i still cant find any takers which makes my point valid.
ISLAM IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRORISM..!!!!
Frankly every religion is a myth, a source open to interpretation. If you want to propagate violence you’ll easily come across teachings that point towards that and if you want peace, you’d come across different verses.
If a religion deliberately shuns modernity and a desire to evolve with time, it has nothing else to blame but its anachronistic teachings, dangerously out of sync with reality.
Ghulam Nabi Azad and Salman Khursheed are traitors, all Muslims in Congress party are traitors because they are not ready to honour the judgment of Supreme Court against Afzal Guru in the connection with the Parliament attack case.
Let me give two links of Instablogs articles here-
Ghulam Nabi Azad is a traitor: Rajnath Singh
Don’t hang Afzal because in India politics decides everything
’Just look at the leaders who demanded presidential pardon for Afzal. J&K chief minister Ghulam Nabi Azad, Farooq Abdullah, Omar Abdullah, Mehbooba Mufti are among those leaders. They did it only after the September 29 general strike in the Valley over the issue.’
@ Farheen, You gave nine links in the support of your comment, I can give you 100 links in the support of my comment.
Islam has done itself no favors because it really protests too much about nothing and the more sobers ones never make it a point to speak out. Look at the parda system, that very insane ’Talaq’ law and this whole argument I hear some time back creating national controversy which said ’We bow down to none except our god- not even our country or our parents cos our religion forbids us to do so.’ This was told on national television by their religious head! The point is that they are digging this hole for themselves and those who follow the religion and thing otherwise should dare to make a difference. Anyway, it still rubbish to fight about ’your belief vs my belief’ cos at the end of the day you have nothing substantial to prove anything.
Now, you want leaders. Why the hell are looking just at corrupt politicians, of any religion for that matter, to support your misconception of all muslims being terrorists or supporting terrorism. Why can’t you look at these upright citizens who incidentally happen to follow Islam as their religion. The bottomline is Terrorism knows no religion. It is a global malaise that should be fought concertedly by all sections of society, irrespective of religions. And branding people of a particular religion as terrorists will never help the cause of fighting terrorism. If it does anything, it will only promote ill feeling between different religions and cause more trouble. And as an afterthough, i still consider A.P.J Abdul Kalam, Hamid Ansari and Asma Jehangir as leaders. And i think a vast majority of people across religions consider these people to be leaders. It’s a pity that you think only politicians are leaders.
You said ’Terrorism knows no religion’. I don’t agree with you because according to me, Terrorists do know Islam well because they take inspiration from there and use the word’ Jihad’ to kill innocent people.
In India, only politicians are leaders and politics decide everything, this is why Kalam is not in office for second term. You better start understanding the difference between leaders and politicians in India that THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL.
I appreciate your effort bro
But, in spite of taking a new identity , you still vomit crap!!
As is quite evident from your ignorant statement >>> I think Lalit is using the pic of Mahatma Gandhi because he must be the follower of the principles of non-violence.. blah..blah, if you idolize such great personality, you don’t just adopt his famous catchline, but you try to emulate his thinking too!
And, as far as your video goes, I don’t think I posed You (read: Lalit) any questions which this video answers, or tries to answer.
And, as I said earlier, I appreciate your effort to polish your ass to make it more red each day, after all baboonish traits don’t vanish so easily. But, at the same time, I’m happy that I got to contribute to this great cause of yours ”My Ass is Red”!
By the way Lalit aka Shankar, I’m happy dat my words at least made enough impact to make you continue this debate, though using a different ID.
Anyway, all things apart, could you tell me what this current pic is? Is it a cow or a bull?? I hope and pray that its a bull, because your words are nothing but Bullshit!.
And last but not least, if you become angry and come back charging at me after reading this comment, I won’t feel bad, I’ll be happy because I will be giving you more reason to polish your ass to make it MORE RED!!
And if, for any reason, I’m unable to answer you back, please don’t feel bad cuz I have more important things to do besides engaging in lame debates with fools like you.
In both your comments, you did nothing but criticised me personally, abused me. Why don’t you write something sensible and useful to change my thought, I would love to read those comments because I know you are a good writer. You can’t change my thought by abusing me like hell but can do it with a single line of logical comment. I am always ready to change my guard but I found no one who could change it or logically force me to do so. You have proved that you are an a** lover so you used it so many times in a good debate...ooops sorryy.. this is lame debate and I am a fool and the reason is simple - I am not with you. I am laughing like hell and just don’t care who comes and who comes not in the debate.
Is it compulsory for you to prove that you are a fool?? No man, I know it already.
But I’m happy you acknowledged the fact in your latest comment. On one hand, you try to attack me by saying,
>>
But, as the dumb-ass you are, unable to contain yourself, you spill the beans,
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both your comments=====criticized me personally
Dude, I think I never criticized SHANKAR in my first comment....Think over it dude! And grow up, IQ levels vary, so don’t expect everyone else to be as clever, oops.. dumb as yourself!
And you talk about me talking out of context? Read my first comment, I have given my honest view on this topic.
By the way, my new logic pertaining to you is: If Mr A is a fool, he will remain a fool even if he christens himself Mr B, or Mr C.
God Bless You
Is it compulsory for you to prove that you are a fool?? No man, I know it already.
But I’m happy you acknowledged the fact in your latest comment. On one hand, you try to attack me by saying,
For you, me and Lalit is same individual!!!!! using different IDs!!! why only we two, for you everone who is not with you is a single entity.
But, as the dumb-ass you are, unable to contain yourself, you spill the beans,
In both your comments, you did nothing but criticised me personally, abused me.
both your comments=====criticized me personally
Dude, I think I never criticized SHANKAR in my first comment....Think over it dude! And grow up, IQ levels vary, so don’t expect everyone else to be as clever, oops.. dumb as yourself!
And you talk about me talking out of context? Read my first comment, I have given my honest view on this topic.
By the way, my new logic pertaining to you is: If Mr A is a fool, he will remain a fool even if he christens himself Mr B, or Mr C.
God Bless You
I know you have no answer..
The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life Poll in 2004 -
#Almost 4 in 10 Americans have an unfavorable view of Islam, about the same number that have a favorable view.
#A plurality of Americans (46 percent) believes that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence among its believers.[v]
ABC News March, 2005 Poll-
#Four months after 9/11, 14 percent believed mainstream Islam encourages violence; today it’s 34 percent.
#Today 43 percent think Islam does not teach respect for the beliefs of non-Muslims — up sharply from 22 percent.
#People who feel they do understand Islam are much more likely to view it positively. Among Americans who feel they do understand the religion, 59 percent call it peaceful and 46 percent think it teaches respect for the beliefs of others.
CAIR 2005 Poll on American Attitudes Towards Islam and Muslims-
#The level of knowledge of Islam is virtually unchanged from 2004. Only two percent of survey respondents indicated that they are “very knowledgeable” about the religion.
#Almost 60 percent said they “are not very knowledgeable” or “not at all knowledgeable” about Islam.
#Nearly 10 percent said Muslims believe in a moon god.
#Just a little over one-third of survey respondents reported awareness of Muslim leaders condemning terrorism.
#A vast majority of Americans said they would change their views about Muslims if Muslims condemn terrorism more strongly, show more concern for Americans or work to improve the status of Muslim women or American image in the Muslim world.
(http://www.cair.com/Issues/Islamophobia/Islamophobia.aspx...)
I really have no answers for your illogical query. Maybe I can answer you, but for that I’ll have to degrade my brain n come to your level, and unfortunately, its not possible bcoz I have other things which demand intellect.
@ Amber
Thanks a lot for contributing to my vocabulary. I got to know the meaning of ’liberty’ today. I owe you.
By the way Amber, do you know the meaning of ’debate’? If no I tell you - Debate means to engage in argument by discussing opposing points..’ And as a debater, I think I have this privilege too. Think over it Amber.
And for all those who think I’m derailed, check my very first comment, I have presented my views, but unfortunately, no one has come for it or against it, cuz they love derailed wagons!
Like you know too much about Koran and it’s interpretation for you to continously talk bullcrap and strut around blaming a religion. And no, im not putting words in your mouth, you asked me how to differentiate between an ordinary muslim and a terrorist in one of your previous comments. So, What does it mean, are you not indirectly calling muslims, terrorists? which to me is absolutely despicable and i don’t think it is worthwhile to even argue with religious fundamentalists like you. I always believe that the Muslim on the street who goes about doing his/her job really don’t want terrorism or any kind of violence. And i continue to so becuase i have too many muslim friends who are absolutely peace loving and anti-terrorism. Just because they don’t come out and stand on rooftops to shout out that they don’t support terrorism doesn’t mean that they support terrorism. Get these facts straight and clear before making frivolous and unwarranted remarks.
#Ramesh Pande. He was among the terrorists who stormed the Ayodhya temple on 5 July.
#Sham Lal and Kirpal Singh, in Rajouri-Poonch, belong to Hizbul Mujahideen and Sanjay to Lashkar-e-Toiba
#Bharat Kumar, arrested in Satwari, Jammu City, with arms and ammunition. Trained for four years in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
#Police arrested a noted Hindu smuggler, involved in Jammu’s Raghunath Temple attack in 2002
#Doctor S.K.Pandita, charged with sheltering militants in Kashmir, along with Pt. Dalip Kumar, arrested, for financing them. Pandita disclosed he carried messages and ammunition to the militants.
Anything else you need to know? :)...i do not base my arguments on free air...i am not denying that terrorism is widespread amongst muslims but we need to accept that even hindus are not clean as well.
Let me tell you that “Terrorism” is not a monopoly of Muslim and those who are aware of world history might be knowing the origin of the word. In 1881, anarchist killed the Russian Tsar Alexander 11. US President Mckinley, King Humbert 1 of Italy, Archduke were not killed by Muslim. In second world holocaust was not done by Muslims. The Irish Republican Army [IRA] is not Muslims organization and they have killed more people than other similar organizations. In India, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Raju Gandhi were not killed by Muslims. Salvation Army in Uganda is not a Muslim outfit but they are Christen and LTTE is a Tamilian group not a Muslim. And so no………..
The western Media has projected Muslim as militants and Islam instigates violence. After the globalization, or last one and half decades Media has become the puppet of the western countries or the capitalist and they have been using it for their vested interests. The common people do not understand it and they are easily brain washed by The Media.
Let me tell you that “Terrorism” is not a monopoly of Muslim and those who are aware of world history might be knowing the origin of the word. In 1881, anarchist killed the Russian Tsar Alexander 11. US President Mckinley, King Humbert 1 of Italy, Archduke were not killed by Muslim. In second world holocaust was not done by Muslims. The Irish Republican Army [IRA] is not Muslims organization and they have killed more people than other similar organizations. In India, Mahatma Gandhi, Indira Gandhi, Raju Gandhi were not killed by Muslims. Salvation Army in Uganda is not a Muslim outfit but they are Christen and LTTE is a Tamilian group not a Muslim. And so no………..
The western Media has projected Muslim as militants and Islam instigates violence. After the globalization, or last one and half decades Media has become the puppet of the western countries or the capitalist and they have been using it for their vested interests. The common people do not understand it and they are easily brain washed by The Media.
k, lot is being discussed about islam here, can any of you please mention me name of sigle muslim leader or sovereign power like hitter, Bush who have killed millions of people, now the question is are they brander as terrosrists, no...y because both are not muslims..
so the inportant question is why and what is there, that corelates islam with terrorism. It is only that people have reductionist view of islam. People like lalit ( if i m right in mentioning the name)and majority of the population depend of interpretation centers, thats media. it is west that had structured structures in such a way that islam today is seen as major threat for humanity.
It is the west that sees islamic fundamentalism a threatening force. What is the reason? It is because islam is the only religion that poses a challenges to the west.
Why in india communal riots are recent phenomenon , while it was that people here lived amicably for centuries. For all this we have to blame modernity and wests gift to whole world that is nationalism.
If you still beleive that Islam is a threat, then i think we should be proud of islam that in a sense have the ability to raise question against western legacy. DEmocracy, liberalism, parliamentarianism, these are all borrowed concepts when talking about india.
there is no need to prove that islam is a religion with vanguard ideology.
when we problematize a thing, we should always look at it from broader perspective, not with mainstream perspective like dependending on cultural apparatuses thats what people like lalit do. if we really want to comment on islam or any other religion it is always important to read about it, then analyse it and then talk about it.
islam is not a homogenous identity, there are several islams lived in different parts of the world. when we say anything against islam, we should first know which islam you are refering.
if americas war on iraq anf Afghanistan is war against humanity, i prefer Schmittian world then, which at least blames war waged for profit, and despite beleives in war as an eternal confrontation that gives ultimate meaning to life.
and if somebody wants to reproach islam further, please dont before knowing islam, i am here trying to prove islam an infallible religion, but religion of vanguard ideology like socialism, marxism.
Rest, it is not that we dont have right to criticize isla, ofcourse we have. We have right to critize any thing, as everything in this world is contested. But it should always be constructive criticism, not deconstructive criticism that eventually will lead to diseases like fascism,communalism.
regards,
raoof mir
People do not know the fact that “to wear a headscarf or loose attire” is not an Islamic laws but it’s an Arab culture. Islam has categorically warned Muslims [both male & female] to guard their “private parts”. Prophet Mohammed asked Muslims females to cover their body [both hands and eyes should be free and open] in order to avoid to get attracted by males or who was not their legal / legitimate husband.
If Muslims females are practicing it for their own safety what is wrong in it. The so called liberal or those who follow western culture must have experienced that their female are at risk all the time just because of their scanty attires.
Those who live in house of glasses must not throw stone to others.
With regards
Zafrus Salam
Also, the results of CAIR were not that surprising. With the advent of the internet, many people have started realizing what Islam is like never before and that’s why you will see there is a sharp rise in people’s opposing viewpoints towards Islam.
If Islam did not teach any hatred towards non - believers, we wouldn’t have seen so many conflicts in the medieval period and also what is going on till date.
It is not Muslims that are responsible for Islamophobia (as per your definition), it is Islam that is responsible. All this so called terrorists and radical Muslims were born like other humans, but certain ideology changed them and I need not tell which is that ideology that influenced their mind.
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